Topic: Thoughts on TGS

[TheTrolloc:D]

overall, a pretty good book
and now to characters:
Rand: insane storyline i liked it a lot. pretty crazy with the true power
Egwene: finally more interesting. got so annoyed of her by a few chapters into Eye of the World.
Perrin: Still annoying, getting a bit better tho you need to settle that wife of your's down tho Perrin.
Faile: prob my most hated character in the story. too annoying that i can't describe it.
Min: still the same. don't like her much but shes alright.
Mat: always fun to read about. something is different about him tho.
and Semirhage: U GOT OWNED

[Garrison Bain]

::TGS Spoilers below::

Rand:  I think we've all been waiting for that incredible moment when Rand and Tam finally meet again.  I loved the meeting...and how Tam's fatherly advice brought Rand (and the readers) back to the beginning of the series.  Just Awesome, really!

Egwene: I still like her for some reason...maybe it's because Faile has soaked up most of my woman hater vibe...and I just don't have much left for Egwene.  Nevertheless, Egwene is going to be a very powerful Aes Sedai.  I hope any meeting between her and Rand goes alright.  The fact that she has turned "All White Tower" on us makes me wonder how messy that meeting will be.

Perrin:  Yeah, there is something about Perrin's purpose in the books now that makes me like him even more.  He's annoying...but, he still has that "I don't belong here" feel to him that makes me pull for him.

Min: It's not that I don't like her...I do.  I just hate the way that Jordan and Sanderson *use* her in the story.  We all know she has these visions that could basically tell us how the books will end...however, we get so little explanations of her sightings that it almost makes me not want to read her chapters.  Also, I want to know what she is up to with Haren Fels books!

Mat: Well, yeah...Mat is my favorite character and always will be.  No matter how bad Sanderson works his comedy.  hahahaha!

-Garrison Bain-

 

[TheTrolloc:D]

u know how it is said in the Prophecy that 3 will be 1 or something
and they will be using Callandor?
Cadsuane said Callandor needed a woman channeling to make it safe
and in the Last Battle i bet it will be Rand, Elayne and Aviendha who will be linked
to use Callandor. do u think Cadsuane was bluffing or was actually telling the truth.
i dont think Rand will like someone else using him to channel.

[Garrison Bain]

There's been a lot of discussion on the "3 will be 1" revelation...

My personal preference is that it has nothing to do with Rand's three women.  (However, it would be cool to have Min in the last battle...basically telling Rand what's going to happen as her visions pop up!  haha...cheater!)  Anyway, my personal preference has to do with Moridin, Rand, and Lews Therin all becoming one...in some funky way that kicks ass! 

I still don't quite understand *why* Moridin is displaying mirror symptoms with Rand (and vice versa).  But...I'm paying more attention to that theory than any of the others.  That just sounds like Robert Jordan writing to me.

-Garrison Bain-

[Jianna]

The "three in one" thing...

Per Cadsuane, we know that Callandor can only be used safely in a circle, which means women  have to be involved. 

Depending on when Rand's confrontation with the DO takes place, Elayne may not be available.  I figure she is maybe five or six months along now.  Far enough that she can't reliably channel, anyway.  So she's at least three or four months from being able to actively participate in anything OP-ish, and I don't know that there's three or four months left, Rand-land time, until Tarmon Gai'don.

That leaves Avi, Nynaeve, Alivia, Egwene... or, maybe, Cadsuane to make a circle with Rand.  From a strength standpoint, anyway...

Aviendha... I can't imagine that she would let him go and face something like that without harking back to her Maiden days, picking up a spear (figuratively speaking) and going with him.   Nynaeve... will she be with Rand, or will she follow her heart and go to Lan?  My heart says she'll go to Lan and Tarwin's Gap.  Alivia will probably be there with him - if you consider that his "death" might be a result of that fight.  Egwene, I think, will have her hands full in TV; she isn't out of danger yet.  The truth about Moggie will come to light at some point; don't think for one second that Lelaine and Romanda wouldn't love to have that little bit of info.  And that's just the political danger!  Remember that political danger in the White Tower can cost an Amyrlin dearly - as in her head.   As for Cads... I don't see her surviving TG, and what better way for a legendary Green to go than in the most critical battle in the history of mankind, yeah?

So... if I had to hazard a guess as to who the "three" might be, I would say Rand, Avi and Alivia or Rand, Avi and Cads.

On the other hand, the "three as one" thing could refer to the three ta'veren.  Rand with Callandor (and a circle) battling the DO with the Power... Mat leading the armies of men in a more corporeal fight...  Perrin (and the wolves) fighting the DO in T'a'R...

Just a thought.

[TheTrolloc:D]

Cadsuane can be a dark friends lol...
with all her scheming and manipulating
i can believe she is =.=

I think Elayne is definitely going to be in the Circle with Rand and Aviendha.
Aviendha is prob going to marry Rand in the next book cuz shes becoming a wise one.
Min will prob be there with them to see ppl's auras. (can she see the Dark One's auras?)
Elayne is about 3 months or 4 months pregnant and that leaves about 4 more months i believe. Rand is marching to Shayol Ghul on horseback and thats gonna take
quite a bit of time since hes going from Tear. 3 or 4 months that will take probably.

As for Nynaeve, i think Rand will go help out Lan. Rand was all stone cold after killing Semirhage but afterwards, on Dragonmount, he becomes like the old him again.
He may change his plan and ya. All these new possibilities since Rand is all "sane" i guess u can say.
I dont think that Cadsuane will ever be in the Circle cuz Rand just hates her so  much. However before the Last Battle, i bet Moiraine and Rand are gonna have a reunion and she is gonna help him out again. i dont know what will happen with the borderlanders tho.

[Todd]

I think there is no way Rand trusts Cadsuane enough to let her in a circle with him. Even the softer him won't like her manipulations.

It's funny that Min's foretelling said he needed Cadsuane to learn something. We all assumed it would be for him to laugh again, but he learned how to do that on his own, it must have been on Callandor requiring a circle to work.

[Jianna]

I agree that Rand will not want to trust Cadsuane.  However, from a sheer drama aspect, I can't imagine anything better than Rand, Cads and one of the other possible candidates in a circle.  With Cads dying before its all said and done...

[TheTrolloc:D]

didnt Min say Cadsuane was gonna teach Rand and all the Asha'man something important? and that they wouldnt like it?
i dont know what it is yet if it happened. i dont think her telling Rand about Callandor had anything to do with the Asha'man. i think its yet to come.

any thoughts on how Rand will bind Tuon to him?
its kinda interesting cuz the Aelfinn told Rand that he will bind the Nine Moons to him while the Seanchan prophecy says he has to kneel to the Empress.
this will be awkward

[Jianna]

I think the Seanchan prophecies are a wee bit skewed toward their point of view.  I would put much more faith in Min's viewings and Egwene's Dreams than in either the Seanchan prophecies or, even, the Prophecies of the Dragon.  Something handed down from generation to generation sounds a little like playing "Gossip"; what something sounded at in the beginning could be completely different after a thousand years or so.

Min and Egwene are seeing things real time, yeah?  So, not putting a whole lot of stock in Rand kneeling to Tuon...

[TheTrolloc:D]

hmm thats a good point. it really seems unreliable.
i think that Mat will do something about the Seanchan.
i mean he is the Prince of Ravens after all so it must mean he can
control the army to a certain extent right?
im just looking forward to Moiraine and Rand reunion
as well as more Tam and Rand meetings

[Todd]

The truth of the prophecies probably lie somewhere in the middle. I really don't think Jordan threw that out as a red herring, it probably just doesn't mean what the Seanchan or us believe it to mean.

[Archelous]

I think there is no way Rand trusts Cadsuane enough to let her in a circle with him. Even the softer him won't like her manipulations.

It's funny that Min's foretelling said he needed Cadsuane to learn something. We all assumed it would be for him to laugh again, but he learned how to do that on his own, it must have been on Callandor requiring a circle to work.

Yes, but only one person can control the weaves, correct?

I think perhaps he would take Nynaeve, Cadsuane, and Moiraine into his circle (If not Aviendha for Moiraine) and before he would even think of joining the circle, would make sure one of the two would pass it to him to control. (As we already know Nynaeve will do so)

[Todd]

Yes, only one person can control the weaves. I just don't see him trusting Cadsuane with anything unless he has to. He does have options outside of Cadsuane, Nynaeve, the woman who is supposed to help him die and Aviendha, all of whom are much stronger than Cadsuane.

[Garrison Bain]

Speaking of Aviendha...I want to read some more of her figuring out ter'angreal.  That was one of the coolest parts of Crossroads of Twilight...and it only lasted about 2 pages!