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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2008, 02:05:17 PM »
The meanings for words in a dictionary comes from common use and literary. Try using the Wiki in a term paper in college or high school and lets see how fast you get a big fat F for your trouble.

Now no need to get offended over something so benign, after all you were the one calling people's opinion, and I quote "stupid."

Now, to continue what I was trying to say earlier. Let's take The Untouchables, a gangster movie. Replace Eliot Ness with Batman, and give Al Capone a bigger roles as the joker would you consider that a big stretch?
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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2008, 02:10:45 PM »
I was making a joke lolz ?_? the untouchables......
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2008, 02:44:20 PM »
The Untouchables isn't a very good movie, very historically in accurate. I think some people only like it because it has Sean Connery in it. Eliot Ness was a G-man ( Prohibition Bureau) who used to raid Al Capone's distilleries, him and his G-men got the nickname "The Untouchables" thus the name of the movie.
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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2008, 03:40:48 PM »
I was gonna say something, but I'm not sure I can be polite about it...

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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2008, 04:01:47 PM »
I have never seen that movie at all. I have seen some of Sean Connery's work but not that movie. Though i believe that i did see the 007 movie he was in, though if not i know who i can borrow it from ^_^. My uncle has i think every single James Bond movie ever made
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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2008, 08:24:30 PM »
I don't think I am particularly inclined to be polite about it.

The only real issue Mr. Reed seems to have stuck like a burr to is that "henchman" is somehow a comic/fantasy term, whereas "gangster" belong In The Rel World. The problem with that notion, though, is that in the end, all art is comparable. In fact, when you begin looking, you discover that the entirety of literature - and I mean the entire corpus of human writing ever - can be divided into just five differing plotlines.

That's it. Five plotlines. Thousands, perhaps millions of books, and they all compare to each other somehow. At least as far as distilling them down to the basic archetypal plots is concerned. So dno't go about telling me that I cannot in any valid way make a comparasent between Film A and Film B.

And that's another matter; of course Batman is not a quintessential gangster film - just as it is not a quintessentil drama - so perhaps some people who don't exactly know how to parse through the exterior devices can miss it - but nonetheless it is a film that deals with the issues of Law vs. Crime Syndicate and with the issues of doing things the legal way vs. doing them the expedient way, not to mention present a certain amount of connundrum the hero is facing regarding his or her morality. Even if it is not a quintesentia distillation of a plotline, it certainly deals with enough particular issues and archetypes that I can say; "Here is what it compares to, and this is how it compares to that." Especially since The Godfather is a very much valid candidate to the best thing ever created within the cinematic medium. Just like I can compare new books to great classics, so can I compare new films to the great classics of their genre.

It would help, though, if Mr. Reed were to actually see the film in question.

In addition, there's the little issue of him trying to have the cake, and eat it, too. If Mr. Reed expects for a film based on a comic to be treated with any amount of seriousness, he has to allow that Batman isn't just "some guy who runs around dressed like a bat" but perhaps has something more substantial to offer. If he does, suddenly artistic discussions such as "how does this drama compare to that drama?" are not only valid, but necessary in order to pin the film down in the place it belongs.

Incidentally, haven't you ever heard of Pullamn's His Dark Materials compared to Paradise Lost?

I think that I have sufficient literary education (i.e, I actually read a book in my lifetime) as well as a nice degree in Linguistics to be able to discuss both artistic issues as well as synonymy with credibility and without my opinions being labelled as idiotic.

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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2008, 03:51:34 PM »
*Sigh* Why do I always make the topics that need locking?
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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2008, 03:57:20 PM »
Quote from: "Archelous";p="3052"

*Sigh* Why do I always make the topics that need locking?


Because you clearly have the skill of being able to stir the pot. :-) I think it's marvelous that you can spark such a flurry of discussion.

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« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2008, 03:26:22 AM »
Quote from: "Trelise Sedai";p="3053"
Quote from: "Archelous";p="3052"

*Sigh* Why do I always make the topics that need locking?


Because you clearly have the skill of being able to stir the pot. :-) I think it's marvelous that you can spark such a flurry of discussion.


*l* I suppose posts, in any form, are good for us.
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« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2008, 02:47:51 PM »
Quote from: "Archelous";p="3057"

*l* I suppose posts, in any form, are good for us.


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