Topic: The bore

[armorhide]

I think we Yankees are pretty good with the 'ole Duct Tape too.


I can see it now... new reality show.  "Duct Tape Wars", pitting the North against the South...

First challenge:  Who can rebuild a car with duct tape?  Hmmm... I think we'd win that one, hands down...  

you're on!  "PRIME COME HERE I'LL FIX THAT ARM JUST BRING THE DUCT TAPE!"

[Bob_Dole]

Here is my theory on the bore could be possible or entirely stupid. The bore is like a male gateway which i think would make sense since rand discribed it as "ripping a whole in the patern i dont know whats between the destinations of a gateway but what if thats where the dark one is locked up?

[umeyster]

Here is my theory on the bore could be possible or entirely stupid. The bore is like a male gateway which i think would make sense since rand discribed it as "ripping a whole in the patern i dont know whats between the destinations of a gateway but what if thats where the dark one is locked up?

Well as previous to what my theory is
You all recall what Rand saw at Rhuidean
That when the bore was opened it was so channellers would use both, saidin and saidar
Also you remember that as some stated, Lanfear opened the bore
Finally Moghedien said that ripping a hole in the pattern was how male travelled and if a female tried she would be stuck in between of something and never come out.

Sum it up and you get what bob said could hold true, since a woman (Lanfear) tried to use a male way (rip hole in the pattern) to travel, she opened the bore without even wanting to thus were the male 100 companions and LTT the ones who were able to provisional seal it.

Maybe if both aes sedai would have gone probably the seal would have been complete, just probably.

[Todd]

Interesting umeyster, very well reasoned. I think you may be on to something.

[rhodric]

Problem being, If you are indeed talking about the Strike at Shayol Ghul, females being there would have tainted saidar too.  I'm not saying you're wrong and male+female would not have completely resealed it, that might have worked, and it might be what is required in Tarmon Gai'don, but Jordan has said that the tainting of saidin was coincidental and the Dark One didn't do it on purpose, basically the conditions while Lews Therin and the Companions were setting the seals were just right.  Since he didn't taint the male half on purpose, male and female in the same ring would have been a calamity.  Of course, all access keys to the Choedan Kal were already lost and the sa'angreals themselves in danger of capture, so there was really no  choice.  It would be cool to have a mixed circle seal the prison in the last book.  My hunch is though that Egwene and company are gonna **** block Rand and he'll have to go solo or something.  Although he and logain are bonded to 5 women together already and that's almost a mixed ring right there. *grin* 

Hey all , I'm back!  I missed you guys!!

[Bob_Dole]

So mabye a knew theory for TG when the bore is resealed it will be with both halves of the source, But building of of what i said earlier mabye it would have to be done with a very large circle controled by a man.

I don't know what would happen if a gateway was ripped open and Saidar was used in conjuction somehow but weilded by a man. very confusing for me.

[13joshuac]

I'm 99.9% sure that there were no women among the 100 companions, hence the taint only on Sai'din.

As for the bore...

DO will probably die, no real point for the to be resealed, I think the foretelling of Rand smashing the cuendillar was more his insanity perhaps pushing him, or him getting ready for the fight.

I'm more interested in, what does the Bore look like? Is Shayol Ghul like Mt. Doom? I always kind of pictured it as a huge sphere kind of, don't know why.

I think the bore is sorta like how Aes Sedai (and Ashaman for that matter) reach out and touch the True Source, they have a mental arm that reaches through the place that the True Source is on and channel it. i picture the bore being the same way. a hole through a diferrent plane of existence, the one souls are on perhaps? when the Companions sealed it they wove a shield over it and tied it in cuendillar. this would explain how the DO can give people new bodies and is related to death.

[Soynar trestfal]

If I remember correctly Lanfear wasn't the one to "Open the Bore" She was on the research team but she wasn't the leader of the project a man was. Lanfear was the only one to survive when the Charom exploded and fell out of the sky.
I did read a theory once that Lanfear might have been in touch with the Dark One before the bore was sealed. I would assume they must have been probing it etc to work out there was something there after all.

If this was so DO might well have saved Lanfear she had after all by this point been spurned by Llews Therin in favour of Ilyena.  Personally I always believe that the DO was able to taint Saidin due to the lack of women. If there had been women present they could have formed larger circles and there would have been a proper buffer between the Dark One and the True Source as they would have been working together.

As for the Bore itself I believe it is linked to Rand and his blood, after all his Blood on Shayol Ghul will win for the light. And don't forget Min's viewing, three women standing looking up at Rand laid out on a bier.

[13joshuac]

If this was so DO might well have saved Lanfear she had after all by this point been spurned by Llews Therin in favour of Ilyena.  Personally I always believe that the DO was able to taint Saidin due to the lack of women. If there had been women present they could have formed larger circles and there would have been a proper buffer between the Dark One and the True Source as they would have been working together.

I think that the taint is corruption or chaos, the DO the same. i think he tainted the focus point of his sealed cage to wear it down. that taint would have "flowed" into everything connected to it, the men aes sedai and saidin itself, thus creating the taint and why the focus's are breaking.

[Archelous]

TGS kind of answers this if you listen close to Lews Therin (Then again, the end of that book also makes me question anything gleaned from LTT).

**SPOILER**













LTT clearly insinuates that if the women would've helped, he could have properly resealed the bore.

[Todd]

Continuing with spoiler.

















But he also says something has to "Touch" the Dark One, and he touched Saidin to the Dark One and that is what Tainted Saidin. I think if had touched the Dark One with both Saidar and Saidin both Powers would be tainted, but the seal would be fine. I don't think it is coincidence that Rand can channel the True Source now. To not taint the One Power he'll probably use the True Source while the two woman (who ever they are) seal the bore with Saidin and Saidar while using Callandor.

I wonder if doing so will "kill" Rand during the sealing.

[Garrison Bain]

That's a good idea Todd...however, I still think a male needs to wield Callandor.  I've been very curious about Logain and Min's vision were he is held up with Glory.  Putting these two ideas together...maybe while Rand wields the True Source...Logain and the girls put the smack down with Callendor!?! 

haha...I love this kind of speculation!

-Garrison Bain-

[Todd]

Well, I was thinking Rand would be wielding both Powers, just with Saidin controlled by who ever leads the circle.