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Will Rand live...???
« on: July 26, 2007, 09:16:06 AM »
I'm going with...No.  

I think the entire series has been focused on the whole Wheel turning theme.  He'll somehow defeat the darkone...but he'll die in the end.  His spirit hurried off to Tel'andsteriod or however you spell that between life place (smile)...to await his next appearance.

I'm sure there are much more detailed thoughts on this...but...I'm kinda not smart enough to think about for too long!  So, this is what ya get... :lol:

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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2007, 11:54:45 AM »
RJ has always said that the last chapter (or 20 pages or some such) has been written from the beginning.  It would be interesting to know if his own "dance" with mortality has changed the ending, one way or the other.

To that end, I think Rand will live.  He may have to "die" first - like a (very) recent icon in pop culture.  It would also be in keeping with some of the religious elements in the book.  

Of course, if he dies, it would probably be the only way RJ could assure that Rand gets the last word over the "terrible trio"...  :lol:
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Re: Will Rand live...???
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2007, 12:18:27 PM »
hahahaha....yeah, I never thought about that!  He'll probably wish he *was* dead once things settle down and the nagging starts up.  *snicker*

"No, you don't need to train with he Aiel anylonger...you've already defeated the Dark One!  Remember!?!  Now, put the tebac pipe down and go wash the diaper clothes."

"And don't even *think* about using the One Power to do that!  There's no telling if you *really* cleaned that male half all the way!  Don't make me sheild you!"

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PS: I just noticed your age!  Wow, you're lookin good for 106!  hahahaha

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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2007, 01:50:49 PM »
Quote from: "Jianna";p="60"

RJ has always said that the last chapter (or 20 pages or some such) has been written from the beginning.  It would be interesting to know if his own "dance" with mortality has changed the ending, one way or the other.

To that end, I think Rand will live.  He may have to "die" first - like a (very) recent icon in pop culture.  It would also be in keeping with some of the religious elements in the book.  

Of course, if he dies, it would probably be the only way RJ could assure that Rand gets the last word over the "terrible trio"...  :lol:


Hopefully RJ doesn't go the route the series you refer to goes, because once I heard that was how the series ended I thought it was the dumbest ending ever. Woman lost her mind at the end. IMO, it was a cop out to give an excuse to continue her money maker.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2007, 01:54:41 PM »
Oh, and this thread could have went into the WoT discussion since there is no real spoilers. I suppose there is since anybody with half a brain can probably figure out what series Jacy was talking about. lol Still not a WoT spoiler though.

Spoilers are really just for new books, I just put this forum up for the eventuality of a new WoT book.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2007, 02:45:14 PM »
I for one hope he does not.  There's been entirely too much of a move towards the traditional "epic" in the Jordan books recently, and I'm hoping for a return to that time when anyone was a likely candidate for extermination at any time.  Rand living would be a "story book" ending.  I want realism - with each of the terrible trio hugely preggers with a 9-foot tall Once and Future King and Rand smiling pretty in Telherandriot, smoking dope and laughing about his fabulous getaway with Artur and the boys.

'Course, that's just my opinion...I could be wrong.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2007, 03:28:20 PM »
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PS: I just noticed your age!  Wow, you're lookin good for 106!  hahahaha


Yes, I'm right spry for my age... ;)
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2007, 05:04:53 PM »
You're making a very dangerous assumption here. You're assuming that there will be an end to this series. After the conclusion? Does it matter? I don't believe at this stage that there will even BE a conclusion.

Suppose for a second we can entertain the unbelievable and there was a conclusion; I hope Rand does die. I don't like him. I think he is a flawed and shallow character. But then again, I don't feel a particular closeness to any of the characters. They started off with so much promise and then Jordan went through and turned them all into vapid, selfish shadows of their former selves.

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2007, 09:06:13 PM »
Will Rand live? My gut tells me he will.

For me though, it doesn't matter what happens as long as it is an ending that makes sense.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2007, 12:52:57 AM »
I think Rand will likely die, there will be the big Funeral pyre and then Rand will turn back up miraculously returned or some such.

So he will have died and come back.

WHAT I've always wanted to see is them Explore the "Spire" and the connection to the Redstone Ter'angreal that was hinted at back in the first.

The game Mat plays all the time with the kid Fox and Snakes refers to the red stone-doorways, the silver spire on the way to White-bridge, the rhymes and mysteries.

That is linked or was going to be linked together some how, with big hints of "This is how they get Moiraine back" atleast that is how I have always seen it.

Ever since she died/vanished Rand has been going down hill.

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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2007, 08:58:51 AM »
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Ever since she died/vanished Rand has been going down hill.


I think, personally, the reason Rand is going "down hill" is largely because people seem to want to do 2, maybe 3 things to him. Use him, or kill him, or lock him away until Tarmon Gaidon where they let him out. All of which affect him negatively, so it is no wonder he has a bad attitude.

Moraine isn't supposedly the one that is supposed to help him with that, that is supposed to be Cadsuane. Who, imo, shouldn't even be in the series since she is just filling a roll Moraine was supposed to play. at this point I am not really sure the role Moraine has anymore outside of Rand not being able to win Tarmon Gaidon without her.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2007, 06:51:59 PM »
See that is another thing!

Rand cannot win without her! Min has seen this! Therefore it is true!

Which means she has to be found/brought back somehow.
Though if she ever does get brought back i want to see her do some serious Ass kicking all round to sort out the mess.

Will also admit he is biased as she has always been his favouritre! I cry when she dies and I read that bit! Every time!

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2007, 07:34:25 PM »
Well, Moraine will probably be back sometime during the next book. My guess probably somewhere at the end. [spoil]Mat and Thom are off to that Spire in Andor to try and free here.[/spoil]
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2007, 09:18:48 PM »
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But then again, I don't feel a particular closeness to any of the characters. They started off with so much promise and then Jordan went through and turned them all into vapid, selfish shadows of their former selves.


Rand is not my favorite character, by a long shot.  That said...

This is my take on the characterizations (and character development) in the books.

You gotta remember that RJ is a Southerner.  As such, and in the spirit of many Southern writers, he tends to draw from people he knows - perhaps not individuals, but certainly types of people.  He's said as much in an interview.  So in EotW, he took rural, unsophisticated, uncomplicated people - many of them rather young - and placed them in the middle of extraordinary, world shaking, circumstances.  Also, keep in mind that the world he's placed them has been likened to the 17th century in technology, and magical to boot.  Oh, and facing the danger of a second Breaking - and that would be better than some of the alternatives..  

Any dire circumstances are going to bring out the best in some, and reduce others to mediocrity - or worse.  Certainly, no one is going to be overly thrilled about things in general.  My grandmother (an old Southern woman) used to say, "the harder things get, the more like ourselves we become".  I think RJ has used that philosophy pretty liberally in the development of the characters.  

The constant nyah-nyahing back and forth between the men and the women.  Well, that's something we Southerners tend to do, too.  It's annoying and sexist and not a very effective means for direct communication - I'll grant you all that.  But - to a Southerner - it is part of the nuance and color that is our culture.  Make no mistake:  when toe meets leather, we can be as direct as we need to be.  However, if someone else can get the point without having it drilled into them, they usually come away feeling a little bit smarter than maybe they really are.  Which is down right affirming, wouldn't you agree?  *waves fan languidly*  And that works for either sex.  

Add to the mix the fact that there are a couple of thousand or so women wandering around who can pretty much take any man and turn him into shoe leather if they so desire (or so these rural, unsophisticated, uncomplicated people believe) AND that these women are hunting for a nightmare/saviour called the Dragon Reborn AND he just happens to be a very serious minded, somewhat whiney boy-child that many of our central characters grew up with... well, I don't have any problem at all seeing why they are the way they are.

I still think that Rand will live.  Not entirely happy about it, but I think he will.
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2007, 09:37:13 PM »
I like Rand. Rand makes you think what you would be like if you had to go through, or were gonna go through all the **** he is. Lets face it, he thinks he is going to die, and to top it off most of the people he sees frankly don't deserve the sacrifice. He's been overcome by all the negative that being the Dragon means. Yet he is still willing to do what he has to to save the world.

The guy who annoys me is Perrin, the only thing he cares about is himself, and by extension his wife. He'd damn everyone in a selfish pursuit to save his wife, even though shurking his responsibilities means damning his wife as well.
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